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Mmmm, dans ce plan de l'épisode 17, il manque pas le lac?

Ce doit être la masse noire au centre.

Elle est en effet dans la direction des deux granges et de la maison de Rigel dans le plan plus haut et on les voit aussi sur cette image.

Intéressant aussi le tweet hélas sans réponse demandant : "Kōfu ? Ou Nagano ?" Je n'ai pas vu cet épisode trop intégré dans les réflexions sur la géographie de la série mais il y a peut-être des choses à y trouver.

Oki!

Étant donné qu'il n'y a aucune indication géographique dans l'épisode, évidemment que nous n'avons pas du en parler.
Je ne vois pas d'où peut venir cette interrogation Kofu/Nagano, mais ça titille ma curiosité.

Bouleau Blanc a écrit : ↑lun. avr. 06, 2026 22:11 pm Ce doit être la masse noire au centre.

Elle est en effet dans la direction des deux granges et de la maison de Rigel dans le plan plus haut et on les voit aussi sur cette image.

Intéressant aussi le tweet hélas sans réponse demandant : "Kōfu ? Ou Nagano ?" Je n'ai pas vu cet épisode trop intégré dans les réflexions sur la géographie de la série mais il y a peut-être des choses à y trouver.

This is the same map published on Mazinger Bible. Hard to say what city is it, or even if it is a real town, but according to the notes on that map,
it has to be in Nagano prefecture, not in Yamanashi prefecture (where Kōfu is).

As far as the location of the Shirakaba farm is concerned, there are three or four documents which all points clearly to Nagano prefecture.

Ozu a écrit : ↑lun. avr. 06, 2026 23:32 pm This is the same map published on Mazinger Bible. Hard to say what city is it, or even if it is a real town, but according to the notes on that map,
it has to be in Nagano prefecture, not in Yamanashi prefecture (where Kōfu is).

As far as the location of the Shirakaba farm is concerned, there are three or four documents which all points clearly to Nagano prefecture.

Thank you.
I guess that those 3/4 documents are from magazine like TV-Land or BouKen Oh as well as Artbook and pictures books?
As long as they don't contradict what is said in the anime and keep being acceptable and logical, it suits with me!

Monsieur Vilak a écrit : ↑lun. avr. 06, 2026 23:49 pm

Ozu a écrit : ↑lun. avr. 06, 2026 23:32 pm This is the same map published on Mazinger Bible. Hard to say what city is it, or even if it is a real town, but according to the notes on that map,
it has to be in Nagano prefecture, not in Yamanashi prefecture (where Kōfu is).

As far as the location of the Shirakaba farm is concerned, there are three or four documents which all points clearly to Nagano prefecture.

Thank you.
I guess that those 3/4 documents are from magazine like TV-Land or BouKen Oh as well as Artbook and pictures books?
As long as they don't contradict what is said in the anime and keep being acceptable and logical, it suits with me!

One is the same map on Mazinger Bible, where the Space Center and the farm are depicted on the west side of the chain Yatsugatake.
Another one is the hand-written synopsis of ep. 1, the picture of which I found on the Mandarake auctions site.
The third one is a record with the story of the first two episodes narrated in Japanese, found on a youtube channel.
Other references are found in TV-Land.

Ozu a écrit : ↑mar. avr. 07, 2026 00:43 am

Monsieur Vilak a écrit : ↑lun. avr. 06, 2026 23:49 pm

Ozu a écrit : ↑lun. avr. 06, 2026 23:32 pm This is the same map published on Mazinger Bible. Hard to say what city is it, or even if it is a real town, but according to the notes on that map,
it has to be in Nagano prefecture, not in Yamanashi prefecture (where Kōfu is).

As far as the location of the Shirakaba farm is concerned, there are three or four documents which all points clearly to Nagano prefecture.

Thank you.
I guess that those 3/4 documents are from magazine like TV-Land or BouKen Oh as well as Artbook and pictures books?
As long as they don't contradict what is said in the anime and keep being acceptable and logical, it suits with me!

One is the same map on Mazinger Bible, where the Space Center and the farm are depicted on the west side of the chain Yatsugatake.
Another one is the hand-written synopsis of ep. 1, the picture of which I found on the Mandarake auctions site.
The third one is a record with the story of the first two episodes narrated in Japanese, found on a youtube channel.
Other references are found in TV-Land.

Very interesting. Thank yout

Ozu a écrit : ↑mar. avr. 07, 2026 00:43 am
1- One is the same map on Mazinger Bible, where the Space Center and the farm are depicted on the west side of the chain Yatsugatake.
2- Another one is the hand-written synopsis of ep. 1, the picture of which I found on the Mandarake auctions site.
3- The third one is a record with the story of the first two episodes narrated in Japanese, found on a youtube channel.
4- Other references are found in TV-Land.

Than you for those info.

1- ok, I'll check the Bible
2- a report of the differences, additions and deletions compared to what ended up being on TV would be very appreciated please!
3- Oh does the video still exist? If yes, can we have a link please?
4- obvious!

Monsieur Vilak a écrit : ↑mar. avr. 07, 2026 09:52 am

Ozu a écrit : ↑mar. avr. 07, 2026 00:43 am
1- One is the same map on Mazinger Bible, where the Space Center and the farm are depicted on the west side of the chain Yatsugatake.
2- Another one is the hand-written synopsis of ep. 1, the picture of which I found on the Mandarake auctions site.
3- The third one is a record with the story of the first two episodes narrated in Japanese, found on a youtube channel.
4- Other references are found in TV-Land.

Than you for those info.

1- ok, I'll check the Bible
2- a report of the differences, additions and deletions compared to what ended up being on TV would be very appreciated please!
3- Oh does the video still exist? If yes, can we have a link please?
4- obvious!

Regarding n.2, the were only pics of 5 pages of the 14 total pages of the document, so it's difficult to compare with the whole episode. But, as far as I can read, it seems to me that the episode follows the synopsis.
One difference is that when Alcor sees the UFOs in the sky for the first time while flying on his TFO, he tries to communicate with them using a sort of "alien language" that makes no sense. He says "Chinmari, yotaneso, kapunpun", sort of gibberish, which he thinks is the language spoken by the aliens (similarly as Rigel would do in the same situation...) .

As far as the location of the Space Center is concerned, there is a description that doesn't appear in the episode. It says:

"Koji Kabuto 's beloved aircraft flew over Mount Fuji, and, in Shinshuu, arrived at the Yatsugatake Mountains. At the feet of Yatsugatake Mountains there is Dr Genzo Umon's Institute of Space Science".

Here we have the explicit mention of the place "Shinshuu" 信州, which is the old name for Nagano prefecture, also called Shinano no Kuni 信濃の国.
Therefore, according to this synopsis, the Institute is located at the feet of the chain Yatsugatake in Nagano Prefecture, that is, on the west side of the chain.
This is coherent with what we found in the map on p. 210 of Mazinger Bible, where the Yatsugatake Mountains are indicated on the east side of the farm, meaning that the farm must be on the west side of the mountains.

Thank you Ozu.

I guess this is this page from the Bible you are talking?

Monsieur Vilak a écrit : ↑mar. avr. 07, 2026 21:17 pm Thank you Ozu.

I guess this is this page from the Bible you are talking?

Yes exactly. On the far right, in vertical, it is written 八ヶ岳, Yatsugatake Mountains. This is also explained in Ryo Hirokawa's very informative site.

http://www.frontier-line.org/goldrak-di ... sion5.html

Oui ce site est une mine avec toutes les informations issues des synopsis

Monsieur Vilak a écrit : ↑mar. avr. 07, 2026 09:52 am

Ozu a écrit : ↑mar. avr. 07, 2026 00:43 am
1- One is the same map on Mazinger Bible, where the Space Center and the farm are depicted on the west side of the chain Yatsugatake.
2- Another one is the hand-written synopsis of ep. 1, the picture of which I found on the Mandarake auctions site.
3- The third one is a record with the story of the first two episodes narrated in Japanese, found on a youtube channel.
4- Other references are found in TV-Land.

Than you for those info.

1- ok, I'll check the Bible
2- a report of the differences, additions and deletions compared to what ended up being on TV would be very appreciated please!
3- Oh does the video still exist? If yes, can we have a link please?
4- obvious!

This is the link for the old record published by EPOCH, entitled "Kabuto Koji and Duke Fleed".



Obviously it's in Japanese, but If you listen, the first line of the story goes: "This is the Institute for Space Science at the feet of the Yatsugatake Mountains, in Shishuu".

Again, a clear reference to Shinshuu 信州, the old name for Nagano prefecture.

Oh thank you!!!

Ozu a écrit : ↑mar. avr. 07, 2026 22:45 pm

Monsieur Vilak a écrit : ↑mar. avr. 07, 2026 09:52 am

Ozu a écrit : ↑mar. avr. 07, 2026 00:43 am
1- One is the same map on Mazinger Bible, where the Space Center and the farm are depicted on the west side of the chain Yatsugatake.
2- Another one is the hand-written synopsis of ep. 1, the picture of which I found on the Mandarake auctions site.
3- The third one is a record with the story of the first two episodes narrated in Japanese, found on a youtube channel.
4- Other references are found in TV-Land.

Than you for those info.

1- ok, I'll check the Bible
2- a report of the differences, additions and deletions compared to what ended up being on TV would be very appreciated please!
3- Oh does the video still exist? If yes, can we have a link please?
4- obvious!

This is the link for the old record published by EPOCH, entitled "Kabuto Koji and Duke Fleed".



Obviously it's in Japanese, but If you listen, the first line of the story goes: "This is the Institute for Space Science at the feet of the Yatsugatake Mountains, in Shishuu".

Again, a clear reference to Shinshuu 信州, the old name for Nagano prefecture.

Merci ! Précieux document !

Voici ce qui est écrit sous cette vidéo :

Distribution : Tsuyoshi Niitaka, Shinobu Ataka, Tadayoshi Miyano, Koichi Suzuki
Musique : Hajime Kitagami
Interprété par : Artie Harder
Production : Bureau de planification des archives d’Athènes
Éditeur : Epoch * « UFO Robo Grendizer » (Ufor Robo Grendizer) est un manga écrit par Go Nagai, et chaque dimanche de 1975 (Showa 50) du 5/10 à 1977 (Showa 52) le 27/02 sur la série Fuji TV tous les dimanches de 19h00 à 19h30Un total de 74 épisodes ont été diffusés sur l’animation robotique produite par Toei Animation.

*Il est complètement différent du doubleur de la version animée, et totalement original à la version d’époque. La société de production est aujourd’hui Athens Records Co., Ltd., qui a achevé la version double face de la sonosheet en 1962.

*EPOCH CO., LTD. est un fabricant japonais de jouets dont le siège est à Taito-ku, Tokyo. Fondée en 1958 (Shōwa 33).

* Shinobu Ataka : A rejoint le Toho Contemporary Theater en 1960 en tant qu’étudiant de quatrième génération. La même année, il s’est produit pour la première fois dans « Dunhuang ». En 1975, il est apparu sur les scènes « Yamahiko Monogatari » et « Masaya Omine », et l’année suivante, en 1976, il a remporté le 1er prix Kazuo Kikuta Theater pour ces œuvres. Sur la scène « Mélodie du bonheur », il a joué 300 scènes jusqu’en mai 2004. Ses spécialités sont les petites chansons, le shinnai, la danse du soleil (Asaka-ryu) et la chanson.

* Tadayoshi Miyano, également connu sous le nom de Takuma Miyano. Acteur et réalisateur japonais.

*Je ne peux pas confirmer les détails concernant Tsuyoshi Niitaku, Koichi Suzuki, Hajime Kitagami et Artie Harder. La planche est rugueuse et le son est soufflé.